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Okay.
So, What kind of experience do you, do you have, then with child care?
I guess, I think, uh, I wonder if that worked.
Does it say something?
I think it usually does.
You might try, uh,
I don't know,
hold it down a little longer,
and see if it, uh,
Okay
Well, Does it usually make a recording or
Okay
I, Well, I don... |
I, uh, my sister has a, she just had a baby,
he's about five months old
and she was worrying about going back to work and what she was going to do with him and the different,
Uh-huh.
do you have kids?
I have three.
Oh, really?
Uh-huh.
Yeah,
I do
Yes, uh,
I don't work, though,
but I used to work and, when I had two chil... |
it's a, it's a fairly large community.
She, uh, got real lucky, though.
He had a boss who, uh, moved into a larger office
Uh-huh.
and she's able to take her baby to work with her.
Oh, really?
And it's a small office that she works in
Uh-huh.
and, uh, it's a, it's a legal firm, office,
and it's just one lawyer
Um.
and s... |
and, but, the community I'm in is not a real large one,
so there are a lot of people who babysit in their homes that, you know,
you either know them or know somebody who knows them to get to,
Yeah,
so it's fairly safe.
Yeah,
to get references and that,
so, but, uh,
I, I don't feel comfortable about leaving my kids in a... |
and you, and you don't always even know if it's, it's going to be the right place or not.
Uh-huh.
Anything, I guess, could happen.
Uh-huh.
Because after, I guess after he, you know, gets to a certain age she's going to have to take him to a day care.
Uh-huh,
when he starts toddling around and stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When, w... |
Yeah.
But,
I think she has problems with that, too.
Uh-huh.
Well, when you have kids, will you work?
Do you work now?
I don't know
that's something I've considered. Uh,
Uh-huh.
I always kind of think it would be neat to be able to watch them and be there for them all the time.
Uh-huh.
Is that what you do?
Uh, yeah.
Act... |
Uh-huh.
Yeah,
yeah.
That's interesting.
So,
Do you have to have any special training?
Not,
it depends on the state you live actually.
Some laws absolutely prohibit it.
Some states, uh, say that you have to be a certified teacher in order to do that.
Our state doesn't yet, say that
and I'm not a certified teacher.
I wen... |
So anyway,
but we don't,
So, you've never had,
Well, uh, does the company you work for test for drugs?
Actually, uh, they just recently started a policy of testing drugs, which was kind of interesting,
because when I went to work for them, uh, they didn't do that,
but, uh, since then they've, they've started a drug tes... |
but I don't operate any machinery.
Yeah.
Now, people for our company that do operate machinery like drill rigs and things like that are under a, a medical monitoring program,
Uh-huh.
because they're at a higher risk of exposure
and blood screening is part of that
and I, I think that drugs,
they do test for drugs in tha... |
Um.
and I work in the software, uh, house,
and everybody there, you know, are all software engineers.
They've never, you know, they never go out to the, the oil rigs or anything,
and yet, we're getting, we're subjected to this policy, you know, the same one that, uh, all the engineers have to, to,
well, a little differ... |
and people will just get,
I mean, I've,
my brother lives where I work,
and I have many a time called him to come get me, you know.
And, uh, uh, but, you know, they don't think twice about serving beer by the keg. You know,
Yeah
but, uh, I think drug testing,
and I, I don't know,
I guess I I think it's got some relevanc... |
and she had to get tested
and, I don't know
I'm ambivalent about the whole thing.
I, you know, I have a lot of mixed feelings about on the one hand, it's like if, you know,
they're, they should be able to make it as a continue of employment in some sense
and, you know, it's like you're, I mean, employments are contract... |
and so they made me sit and wait for forty-five minutes, drink a whole ton of water before I went to any of the interviews and go in there again,
Oh.
Right.
and the, and the, the procedure is utterly humiliating.
You go in there with the doctor,
he makes you take off all your clothes
and then he examines you.
Uh, the q... |
Yeah,
well, it's similar problems
but, uh, we just have the one check book
and we try to keep it up to date as much as possible
and occasionally we will get behind like you say
but, uh, it doesn't really seem to be too, too tight if we just remember to keep everything up, up to date and balanced.
Uh-huh.
Well, how to y... |
so we are going to be starting a regular payroll deduction in the fall
Um.
and then the money that I will be making this summer we'll be putting away for the college fund.
Um. Sounds good.
Yeah,
I guess we're, we're just at the point, uh,
my wife worked until we had a family
and then, you know, now we're just going on ... |
Oh, Stockton.
Oh, okay.
How about you?
Uh, Cincinnati, actually.
I was kind of wondering if they would be collecting people with, uh, the western accents or something like that.
I don't know how many people are, uh, getting involved in this
but uh, well that's interesting.
Uh-huh.
I'm, uh, uh, actually, uh, I was kind ... |
it will be interesting to see what, It would be interesting to see how the data base,
so, well, I guess we're talking about the experiment.
Uh-huh.
Uh, probably need to try to get back on the topic
but, uh, it's hard to talk about finances without without getting to, uh, dollar figures I guess you know,
Uh-huh.
we coul... |
and in Germany they don't have the jury system.
What they do is they have, uh, three judges, basically.
And you get up there
and the prosecuting attorney presents his evidence
and your defense attorney presents their evidence
and those three guys take the evidence, go off, figure it out and then come back and say wheth... |
if they did it with the, uh, just the judges, the police have to do a lot better job of making sure that their evidence is airtight
because the judges sitting in that kind of stuff day after day, they know all the procedures,
they know what's good and what isn't,
they'd be able to say, I'm sorry,
you can't use this as,... |
we have Social Security numbers,
they can trace us down,
we have telephones,
then we have checkbooks.
Criminals have none of these things.
They're real difficult to catch,
and if they do catch them, they don't get any monetary gain out of it, whereas us, we write a check.
Yeah.
So where do you think they target their e... |
yet, you go out on the streets
and they're giving speeding tickets.
Yeah.
I think somehow you have to separate the revenues from,
Well, you know, uh, talking about the lawyers, you know what might very well do, uh, cause a, uh, a drop in the number of lawyers and things like that, is to set the fees for cases.
It's kin... |
And here's this bum that didn't have a job
Yeah.
and he's got a attorney that you and I could never afford.
That's true.
Who's paying for that?
Yeah.
Um, well, you, you know, you're talking to part of them that's paying for that
Yeah,
and you're talking to the other half that's paying for it
That's right.
You know that... |
so I know what they've said.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Well, I'm trying to think.
My, uh, uh, wife's grandmother had Alzheimer's
and they were going to put her into a, a nursing home
and, uh, they, when they put her in, she had all kinds of trouble
and the nursing home made them come and take her back because she was being a, a,... |
My grandmother actually was in a, a nursing home that, uh,
there was a retirement hotel and then a, uh,
there was some sort of full-time care place that was also associated with it
so for, uh, the first few years she had her own apartment and, you know, made her own meals sometimes. But could, could also go and eat som... |
Uh-huh.
Or people send you there as a last resort.
Right,
right.
That's what my grandparents,
it was just so that the rest of the relatives would have peace of mind knowing that if anything happened, there was somebody there for them.
Uh-huh.
So that was their thinking.
Somebody who would know what to do in the event o... |
Yeah.
And the money is also another issue. How you're going to pay for it.
Right.
At that stage of life you only have so much money left
and I guess it's not exactly fair for the younger family members to have to put it in their savings.
Yeah.
I mean it is kind of fair,
but it's also not fair because they have their ow... |
I think the retirement home idea's a nice idea. To go and find older people and with similar interests and someplace to stay
Yeah.
and cause like if your spouse died, all alone, it'd be nice to go someplace with people similar to you. To have friends.
Right.
Yeah,
I've known quite a few people that have, uh, gone to r... |
And I think, uh, but I think also, sometimes it can be, uh, a benefit if it's for a short time.
Sometimes in a nursing home
Uh-huh.
uh, especially if, if it's after an acute illness.
To get over a,
or to rehab after, uh, an illness.
That's true.
I never thought of that.
Yeah.
Sometimes you know, sometimes the nursing h... |
You know the well the families do not necessarily uh, know what to do with them
What do you mean?
and they don't want to take the responsibility
so they will put them in a nursing home.
Yeah,
that's true.
So you see, uh,
there's both sides to it too.
What do you think?
Yeah
and it depends on how, how sick the person is... |
Right.
Uh-huh
Yeah.
So that, that option sometimes is not available if they do not have the, uh, either Medicare or insurance to cover it.
That's true.
Yeah.
So,
But I think nursing homes can be good.
It just depends on what kind they are.
You know, you need to check them out ahead of time.
Yeah,
and then there's also ... |
Yeah.
and you need people who are trained for that type of problem.
Right.
Who know what they're doing with that.
Yeah
so, so there's different types of nursing homes I think.
Yeah
well, my, uh, grandmother's not really in a nursing home, but a retirement home that also has a nursing home sort of attached to it.
And s... |
Right.
Some support.
And then there's also, uh, sort of a wing for those people that do get sick
and, what I like about it and I think she likes about it is that she knows everybody there now
and then, so if she ever does become ill, uh, it will be like family around her.
That's right
and I I've seen some of them like... |
Yeah
I, I think, I think the, uh I think that the decision that needs to be made though on nursing home has to be a joint one between the, uh, elderly uh, person who's going in and the family that's going to be, uh, effected by it
Uh-huh
Uh-huh.
Oh definitely it's,
and, uh, you know, sometimes it can, those those choic... |
What about you?
Uh, I work for a fairly large company.
It's got eight thousand people.
Uh-huh.
And, uh, we do have health insurance.
We don't have four O one K plan, stuff like that,
but we do have, like, retirement.
They kind of match up to, you,
if you put six percent, they match up to six percent,
and then the rest ... |
Huh, well, I guess what we have is like a what they call a flex benefits plan where you, you get like a certain amount of dollars
and then you spend it on a cafeteria of whatever you want or need.
Otherwise you can, uh, guess you can put, also put money, hold money back and then either use or lose it and that doesn't g... |
and, uh, one of my kids was in a car accident
and, uh I had, wound up having to pay for, you know, a bunch of doctor visits and stuff out of my pocket because of, you know, no, no insurance policy happened to cover it, which is,
Um.
Really?
You mean, not even your, your, your car insurance?
Well, it, it got all screwed... |
Aye.
That's a long time.
Yeah,
it's, uh,
Yeah,
especially in the kind of engineering job I'm in, you know, companies don't stay afloat that long
and, and they,
Uh, with the telecommunications type of company, supposedly you, used to be much more stable.
It's a lot less stable than it used to be.
They used to have job s... |
I think it's still based on the old model of,
and, and now they don't, uh,
A lifelong job security
telephone pioneers of America,
Yeah.
all that stuff, huh.
Yeah,
but they, no, no longer
I don't think so.
Right.
Uh, hearing a
there's always, they're always laying people off, which is another benefit that you can have o... |
yeah.
Um.
There's too many manage, too many chiefs and not enough Indians
but,
Oh, they, they put,
Well, have you ever served on a jury?
No,
I've not.
I've been called,
but I had to beg off from the duty.
And you?
Well, I was called
and then I was not chosen.
Um.
Well, I was, I was, uh, originally chosen primarily, I t... |
it's that the younger they are, they tend to be more conservative for some statistical oddball reason,
and they kind of liked me.
I looked and all that stuff
and they,
I don't know what they saw in me,
but they saw it.
But, uh, back to the issue, is, uh,
I don't know,
at times I feel that a unanimous decision is warran... |
Yeah,
often there's more incriminating evidence.
Like, for instance, say, uh,
and also, too, I think I'm, I'm tempering this and the fact that the consequences are much more, uh, serious in a criminal case.
Well, do you think that, that in a civil case, if there was majority rule, that it would be easy for someone to b... |
but, uh,
and I also think, just like you were talking about before, why you were chosen to be on a jury that, uh, the, just, the process of picking jurors is not always objective.
Oh, certainly not,
certainly not.
And you know, they like to think that they're getting someone who's objective in all this,
but they're rea... |
so I guess it starts recording now.
Okay.
Okay.
I don't know, really know that much about the recycling in this area that we're in.
We live in the Saginaw area.
Saginaw?
Uh-huh.
And I'm not real familiar with, uh, anything that,
I,
fact as far as I know, the school doesn't have any kind of programs or anything out here... |
and you set it out
and they pick it up
and it, it works real neat.
They seem to be having a real good response.
Really?
So,
That is pretty good.
I'm, we're originally from another state
and I know in the state we were from that they did that similar type thing.
The city brought ought, you know, set separate trash cans
... |
but I don't know if they get a, get anything back on it
or, do you get money for it?
No,
I just, I noticed it
Iowa and other cities like that, it's a nickel per aluminum can.
Oh.
So you don't see too many thrown out around the streets. Or even bottles.
Really
You know, all kinds of bottles they, they, they really charg... |
I was like, God, how much were those bottles you know?
Yes.
And, it was, they come in like, uh, eight and, and eight and ten packs, you know instead of six packs
Right.
and, uh, and they were like, it was like two dollars and something for the bottles.
You know, I was like God Almighty,
it costs more for the bottles th... |
Uh-huh.
Right.
but I, I do know some of these places were doing that
and they discontinued them because people were coming and dumping their trash in them.
Right.
Yeah
it's,
I notice the plastic have sort of faded away, the milk jugs.
Yeah.
It, it's,
people just,
they, they really don't,
uh, there's too much labor invo... |
Well, who wants to clean their junk before they throw it away
That's right,
that's right.
It's like washing the dishes before you put them in the dishwasher.
Right,
uh, yeah.
We all do it
Well, it was nice talking to you.
It was nice talking to you.
I have no idea how long this is supposed to last or anything.
Oh, I th... |
Well, we're doing it for a church choir
so,
Oh, are you?
Yeah.
Oh, that's interesting.
So,
That's nice.
Well,
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
Bye.
Bye-bye.
So. Have you heard about Saturns?
seems to be out of I've heard some about Saturns.
I don't know a lot about them.
I haven't been over, uh, to a dealer to look at them ... |
And, uh, supposedly, they've got great customer satisfaction from what things I've heard.
Um. Yeah,
I've heard a lot of people like them.
Uh, yet I don't know whether I would buy Saturn or not at this point.
I'm kind of,
my card and, uh, desires tend to be pretty picky
and so, uh.
Well, like what?
Well, let's see.
I I ... |
Ooh.
Uh-huh.
And when I look at modern cars and stuff like that, I just say I will never do that with the modern cars.
It's not worth my time.
You can't get in there.
You can't do anything.
Yeah.
And it's so complicated too.
I look at it
and I say, boy, you know,
I, I'd have to almost go take a class or something like ... |
It was about a nineteen seventy.
So I'm kind of, uh, biased in that
and, you know, I want a car that I can work on because I think it just costs too much even to get the oil changed anymore.
Yeah
And that's kind of, that's, that's probably one thing I'd look at.
I think another thing I'd look at is safety.
Yeah.
That's... |
Yeah.
Uh, I've been real impressed with that.
and I didn't realize that they were putting dual, uh, air bags in that car now.
Ninety,
yeah.
Or, excuse me, the ninety-twos.
The ninety-twos had dual air bags.
Uh-huh.
This newest model.
You could get them with duals
I think That's excellent.
That's excellent because,
Y... |
A dealer return type thing on a ninety-two and ninety-three or something like that you know.
Uh-huh.
Year old ninety-two or something like that.
Uh-huh.
Sure.
Those are
See if we,
yeah,
that, that would be a good deal to go with.
And the other thing we're looking at is the Saturns too.
Okay.
Because they looked really ... |
Uh-huh.
But one of the, the two things that I'm really,
the, the I'd say the most important thing is a car that's not going to fall apart. That doesn't have problems.
Uh-huh.
You set down.
You look at consumer reports.
We've been pouring over consumer reports
and you just get so depressed for the U S auto makers when y... |
Uh-huh
Well that's more than we have up here in Massachusetts.
Some, some local communities are very active in that, uh, in that respect
and they do have bins set up.
But I live in a, a metropolitan area
and, uh, they're not, uh, too inclined to do something as aggressive as that
Well, here they and,
uh, live in an apa... |
it's like throwing a nickel away.
That type of thing.
Right.
They, here they're trying to push through a bill
But, uh, people need to be more conscious of it.
and a lot of people are against it.
And it's going to create a lot more work for the, uh, the stores that sell, you know, sodas and stuff.
Because they want to ... |
Yeah,
that's a good idea.
Yeah.
there definitely has to be a motivation factor
and I know that, at where I work,
I work for a defense contractor.
And there's a big push on for recycling, uh, paper materials, you know, computer output paper and also to decrease the amount of, uh, Styrofoam usage because of the, uh, the ... |
Because there was an article or a story done awhile ago that, uh, trash, uh, the telephone books are the type of thing that don't break down over a long period of time.
A guy went to a a landfill, dug down five feet and, and pulled up a phone book from like nineteen sixty
because they don't, they don't degrade over suc... |
Uh, although I'm not a mother, I, I still think that, uh, a lot has changed since ten years ago.
Uh, what do you think about that?
We,
Well, uh, actually ten years from today seems rather short.
Yeah.
Uh, but I do agree that, uh, generally it's, society has sort of, uh, let's see, rushed everything ahead.
Uh-huh.
And,... |
I'm twenty-eight.
Twenty-eight.
Okay,
I'm twenty-three.
Yeah.
So there's maybe a five year gap between us.
Yeah.
So, uh.
I just, I think that things were a bit, were, have been busy all along.
It's just a matter where priorities are, at placed. And that, uh, usually as far as families are concerned, there used to be j... |
no.
I don't.
No,
I don't think that.
But then there are a lot of people that, that don't have that. But, that really do need to work.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
I think maybe those people that really do need to work, both parents, just to survive.
And then there, is, is that other group that is working to maintain a standard of... |
Okay.
So.
I mean I have met people that, uh, both that, that just want to maintain a, the standard of living and those that, that really need the job.
Okay.
And then, sometimes I, I often, uh, find that maybe there's so many different things available to us. a microwave, a V C R, a answering machine a, you know, a spec... |
Uh, so, uh, how do you, how do you feel?
that's, of course, being facetious
but
Uh-huh.
You'd have to say that.
Uh, I don't know.
The, the things they asked to talk about were whether the, uh, whether the judge should be the one that does the, uh, sentencing.
Uh-huh.
And seems to me that that's, I think that's the way ... |
I mean he could have like a personal prejudice.
You know, judges are people like everybody else even though they're, they're supposed to be impartial
That's right.
but maybe, uh,
And I think that may, I, that may be an exception as well.
Because I think that,
doesn't the jury decide on the death penalty rather than, t... |
Yeah.
I,
something like that, I've got no problem with it. Uh
Yeah.
I guess the way I think about it is not, it shouldn't necessarily be thought of as revenge.
It's just like if you've got like a dog that's running wild and biting people
Uh-huh.
put it to sleep, you know.
Just get it out, you know,
it's not able to fit... |
I think this particular case has been like ten or fifteen years.
Uh-huh.
Yeah,
that,
But I guess there have been several cases where people have been executed by mistake
and you'd hate to be one of those.
Yeah.
Oh, I'm sure
Yeah.
The other thing they asked about was whether uh, uh, the verdict should be required to be... |
The paper here tonight had a thing about the Noriega trial. And that there's one juror that is, is, uh, different than the other eleven.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
And, uh, they've only deliberated four hours or, something
and they say they're hopelessly deadlocked.
Oh, no
the judge told them they weren't hopelessly deadlocked yet... |
Yeah,
that's, that's been so long I've practically forgot who Noriega was, you know.
Right.
That has been going on
My, uh, cousin is a F B I agent down in Miami.
Oh really?
Yeah.
So she follows that stuff pretty closely.
But, uh,
That's interesting.
Yeah,
she's not involved in that, that case.
But she does,
Well have y... |
I got called
but I, uh, never, uh, got selected for a jury
Uh-huh.
I sat for ten days in a court room while they went through the selection process,
Uh-huh.
and they had some guy that was, uh, defending himself.
Uh-huh.
Bye to someone speaking to
So we're, uh, our discussion's about, uh, the care of the elderly?
That's... |
Uh, but, uh, some friends of mine have, uh, gone through this.
I think I'd look for a home where they got a lot of attention and, uh, where they did some things to try to keep them, um, mentally alive. And where there was, uh, caring and compassionate, where there were caring and compassionate people, uh, operating it.... |
Well I, I I don't know.
We, we also, my wife and I, uh, uh, volunteer to go to a, uh, nursing home that's just a mile from our house.
We, uh, she goes more often than I.
We used to go once a month, once every two months to visit some of the patients there.
And we'd take, we have a two year old son
and so we, sometimes ... |
It, it's possible,
I was thinking also that there'd be, there could be a fair burn out factor um, in just having to respond to people's needs where the needs are sometimes, depending on the person, not going to be what we would perceive of as rational need.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I'll tell you one thing though that'll, that, ... |
But this room, on the other hand, you know, they got rid of all of the sort of standard issue beds and dressers and this and that
and they had all their stuff from their house
and it looked like, uh, it must have been,
it was nicer to walk in there and to talk to them
and it must also give them a sense of, uh, uh, secu... |
Well I think it, I think it was sort of on the grounds that they were considering whether she would live there
and I feel like, the whole vocabulary of this is very loaded if you think of words like, like put her in there.
Right,
right.
And there, there's so much,
Okay.
Uh, so your, you, I guess you're probably in the ... |
uh-huh.
Oh, I see.
But, uh,
I have, uh, five children.
I have a eighteen year old son.
The of my girls are like twenty-three, twenty-six, twenty-eight, and twenty-nine.
Uh-huh.
And I have three granddaughters right now.
Oh.
And, uh, I, uh,
one's in Iowa.
Uh-huh.
And, uh, she's, she's a teacher
and what she does is she,... |
Uh-huh.
Then I have another daughter in, uh, Bountiful, Utah
and she has to work full-time
and it's just tearing her apart.
She has a private baby-sitter.
Yeah.
And, uh, the baby just screams.
I mean, the baby is like seventeen months
and she just screams.
Uh-huh.
Well even if she knows that they're fixing to get ready... |
Uh-huh.
They live with us
and so, of course, we love it. Because we get to see this cute little baby all the time.
But, uh, uh, she just,
uh, she used to work in pre, in the preschool and, and, and child care
and she says after working in there
and, and, you know, here she was a provider
but, you know, there's only so ... |
the, uh, the first, uh, ten years, see first ten or twelve years, I stayed home.
Uh-huh.
And, uh, then after that I, I went to work.
Uh-huh.
And, uh, uh, uh, a couple of times I just, uh, uh, you know,
then I had one job
and then that job ran out because it was kind of a government seeded type job.
And then, and then l... |
Well,
And so, uh, we didn't take her over there until like about eleven o'clock.
Then he, she'd take my son and her daughter over to kindergarten.
But
that day, uh, I was saying now he, he's sick.
And she goes well, she goes, he has the same thing that all my kids have.
That's what he got, you know.
Goes, well, okay,
s... |
And then what happened was, is, you know, they gave her a call because they knew that she was my baby-sitter.
Called her
and they said, uh, that he's sick.
Well she wasn't home.
Huh.
I mean her, all her kids were sick
but she wasn't home, right.
And her, and her, her daughter that was in kindergarten with him also did ... |
They couldn't, uh, give him anything because they're not allowed to at school and everything.
Right.
I was so furious.
I, I quit that job
and I stayed home for awhile longer.
Then I went and got a, uh, a job in real estate where I can kind of adjust my time a little bit better.
Yeah,
a little more flexibility.
You can ... |
Oh, really?
so I kind of grabbed on to that team, way back when.
Huh.
pretty
that's good.
I, I used to watch them a lot when they were playing the big iron curtain, or steel curtain.
That's right.
How about your favorite team?
Huh.
Well, last year it was Buffalo
and I, I still try to keep up with Buffalo because they... |
Yeah,
the Saints are starting to impress me this year, you know, a lot.
Boy,
they are, they are just a fun team to watch.
This, it, they are really.
Did you see the game Sunday night or, Sunday afternoon?
Uh, no,
I didn't.
It was funny.
There were, they uh, a fireworks display at halftime.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah,
and some pa... |
It was
I mean, you just really can't tell what's going to happen.
That's hilarious.
I know.
It's like about two weeks ago I was watching the Saints.
Uh-huh.
And Anderson kicked a sixty yard field goal.
Oh.
And it, it was beautiful, right down the middle.
Oh, boy.
He is tough,
he has an incredible leg.
He is.
Yes.
Well,... |
Right.
and one of those was to Buffalo.
And they beat the Saints.
Their only time they lost.
What do you think about, uh, Houston?
Houston.
I saw Houston play this summer in Memphis.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
Uh, from what I saw they were playing,
when I was at the game we sat right on the front row, right behind the Houston Oi... |
the, their, their backfield is really impressive.
Haywood and Drew Hill and
Right.
they really impress me.
Well, they squeaked out a game on Sunday.
That's right.
Who, who did they play?
They played Dallas.
Dallas,
that's right,
They won, in overtime.
all because,
That's right.
I remember that now.
So that was,
I, I w... |
Yeah.
Well, also Houston is, uh, in Pittsburgh's division
so, I'll almost always root against them.
Well, that's true.
I hate to say it
but I hate Dallas
That's okay
Well I, you know, I, I was never really a big Dallas fan until we moved here
Yeah.
and they just kind of grew on me.
Yeah,
I imagine.
That's the way,
I'v... |
To tell you the truth I haven't paid too much attention to that.
Really?
Um, what cities are they looking at?
Uh, right now I think this Memphis, they're, they're trying to get the teams.
Uh-huh.
And that's, that's where I was when I saw, uh, Houston play.
Uh-huh.
Saint Louis is trying to get a team.
Uh, Baltimore is ... |
I'd like to see some more teams get in.
I would, definitely.
I think they are supposed to put two in by either next year or the year after.
And right now I think Memphis and, it's Memphis and I think Baltimore have a really good shot at it.
Uh-huh.
Because I know Saint Louis is much bigger than Memphis
and when I went ... |
They were just, you know, small time cases where, uh, trailers and banks were involved, you know.
So were they criminal or civil?
They were civil.
They weren't they weren't any criminal.
Oh, okay.
What, uh, what was the verdict?
Did the, did the jury have trouble reaching a decision?
Uh, the jury, it was, uh, let me s... |
Right.
What was, what was the other case?
That was also civil?
The, the other case was just traffic,
the,
and, you know, it was seat belt law
Yeah.
and it, it didn't even hardly go through,
Oh, didn't really even count.
so.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm a college student
so I haven't been, you know, a jury eligible age for very long
... |
Uh, one, one thing that I, I think is, um, you know, maybe is a problem is, uh, I, I think that the criminal jury system works pretty well now,
but I wonder if maybe in some civil cases it doesn't work as well.
Especially sort of.
I wouldn't think that it does I mean, from, from my, from what I experienced in them,
How... |
I mean, did a couple of people sort of gradually, sort of assume, uh, sort of a moderator role in the trial
or,
Yeah,
they, well they picked one person,
and then he finally, you know, moderated everything and made it turn out the way it should have.
So it it did end up working out pretty well?
Yeah,
it ended up working... |
Uh.
It was on his property.
Oh, so the deal was that he had, uh, borrowed money from the bank to buy it,
and he hadn't made the payments.
Right.
So they came to get it.
Yeah.
And then when they came to get it, well, it was on the landlord's property
and he wouldn't let them take it off.
Uh, so they were suing to get it... |
I read the daily newspaper, uh, the HOUSTON CHRONICLE
and sometimes I'll read like the, uh, WALL STREET or the NEW YORK TIMES.
I don't subscribe to either,
but sometimes I get a hold of copies of it.
Uh, how about you?
Do you, uh, mostly get things from T V or
Yes.
I actually get most of my news coverage off uh, comput... |
and it's sort of by category.
For example so I can read a certain business or topics.
Oh.
is it, is it the A P news wire
or is it something that is, uh, a little bit different from that?
Well, uh, it's similar to that,
but it's DOW JONES, which is, uh, the WALL STREET JOURNALS news wire.
Uh, okay.
So, that's that's int... |
I don't know how to how to describe it
so I'll say a religious newspaper which, which talks about issues that are relevant to me in a more broad sense.
It's a weekly but, uh, but not, uh, not like BUSINESS WEEK or NEWS WEEK or one of those kinds of things.
Yeah
I'd like to say that however, uh, that I'm overwhelmingly ... |
and they're, that's a liberal, uh, a liberal field at least from academia
Yeah.
and, uh, the other thing that I always notice is that whenever they write about something that I'm an expert in, I find their descriptions to be wrong
Yeah.
Yeah.
and it,
They, they generally make mistake on anything technical at least
That... |
Yeah.
So, uh, uh, to give you an example, uh, we will go out of the printing media.
I know of cases where, uh, we have one television media where they will show clippings from one event and describe another event but, with the the attempt to give you the impression that what they're talking about is the same thing they... |
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